Note, the sentry safe does have a security vulerablity that can be mitigated by covering a hole with stainless steel tape. You'll want to train yourself one way or the other. Well saving room for some ice cream after dinner is a bit higher on my list than any damn LDL or HDL mumbo jumbo. Thank you very much. I didnt mention this stuff because in the original post because the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible. Good on you guys for responding here. Thats intentional. We were assured that; were working on it. Actually, I only did that for about ten minutes before retreating to a men's room, unchambering the round, and putting the gun back in its holster with a full mag but empty chamber. I still dont get any notifications that someone has replied to any of my comments. Just bookmark the page you commented on, and then check back once in a while. When I go out without my kids I rack the slide. Trigger Safety. I really, really wish the powers that be could find someone to get this comment section to work right. Not too long ago, we posted an article (by me!) If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. I carry a Glock 21 with a round in the chamber I constantly handle the gun to keep excellent muscle memory if you dont want to have the gun fire dont touch trigger. People who ride a motorcycle to work know damn well their chances of being seriously hurt in an accident is astronomically higher than driving a Pick up truck to work. Does anyone ride the hammer down on their gun with a LIVE ROUND in the chamber? To the point I know I can unholster, rack, and have my tritium dots centered on some perps forehead before they know whats coming. I have had cops point shotgunms and Rvolvurs at me, made me nervous, now their pointing Glocks at me, and that frightens me to the point of shaking. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? If carry my Glock its in a solid Crossbreed holster with one in the chamber. Maybe. Shorten that to GLOCKTOPIA! Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. FNS9-C. You have to train how you'll fight and fight how you train. @ mark s: +1 here. . Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Here's my situation: Carrying the pistol with a round in the chamber freaks me out. when I was in the Harris County, Texas courts, I saw many LEOs that had semi-auto pistols with one in the chamber and the hammer cocked and the holster strap between the hammer and the slide. I may not have the time to chamber a round if a BG is close enough. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. At least until the computer catches up and opens multiple copies. the safety doesnt enter into it. I carry all my guns chambered. Firearm experts, including myself, consider the design completely safe and dependable. Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. 29 July 2022 by srnoj. My AR is half loaded with the mag in but unchambered. The 16 chamber cylinder is specifically a reference to Kevin Costner in Open Range. Uberti, for instance, makes some models with a transfer bar safety and also a few with a floating firing pin, which drops below the channel to the primer when the hammer is fully forward and can thus be carried fully loaded. On paper? Never happened yet I would rather shoot myself in the leg but still be in fight than have bad guy shoot me because I didnt have a chambered round. Even in that highly unlikely scenario, the gun would likely kill them anyway, even without going off, by blunt trauma alone. link to What is a Pistol Caliber Carbine. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. I ran a corner thru the trigger and around the other side up the grip. Just the same as the guy thumbing the safety off, he will beat me. This is a particularly great idea. As someone from MS you gotta tell me where this full auto shoot was. The Glock 43 is VERY close in size to the Glock 42, but chambered for that 9mm cartridge some people demand - or at least don't frown on like they do the .380ACP. This is why. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. I now carry without it, with one in the pipe. Ho Hum, Well written Ok, maybe youre taking off your holster and you drop the whole dang thing on the floor. Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. 7. Most 1911s come with a half cock safety, but again, you would have to ensure it was engaged properly and its prone to breakage. Then you have the big, scary, single-action magnums by IWI (the BFR) Freedom Arms and custom guns from Jeff Linebaugh. So, us non-glockentines keep a low pro on discussing polymers and plastics, but if I had to go to war tomorrow, you can it would be an all steel weapon. Not thinking human beings. Because if youre smart enough to be worried about a Glock short trigger and trigger safety, youre probably smart enough to know you need to train so that your trigger finger is never in the trigger until the sights are on target, and you take the time to inspect your holster for obstructions before holstering or unholstering. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. I doubt it. I carried a 1911 for awhile and the duty holsters made for 1911s have the retaining strap that goes across the back of slide, which also blocks the hammer from firing pin. I can see no valid reason to carry a modern weapon in condition 3 as long as youre observant and safety conscious when holstering/re-holstering your weapon. All I get is replies that they are working on it. Both have pros and cons the secret is you must be well versed to bringing your gun up to the level of lethal quickly. Many striker/plastic pistols, like the S&W Sygma, have actual DA triggers, that do not use glocks UN safe-action trigger scheme. I used one of those saf-t blocks that can be pushed out of the trigger real easy. Hell, try it with a taser. It is a DAO and . Its just not for me, especially as I get into my golden years. . The Springfield Armory XD-E is a new hammer-fired compact pistol. For my "duty firearm", I carry a Glock Mod 22 Gen 4 (.40 S&W cal.). The odds of a holster obstruction triggering a Glock in that case is an acceptable risk due to the greater risk of being too slow. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. Since I do not carry(Los Angeles County), my handguns are ready very quickly. about carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber. But the real benefit is in the noise. They say tomato, I say Condition 1 Muscle memory is a life saver when things go adrenaline slow MO mode, and those Taurus, PT-111s, have that thumb safety where Im used to one being, the pipe is red hot, and, eyeball to eyeball, it will fire again without re-racking the rear sights on someones nose. If my gun lands at my childs feet, an empty chamber leaves plenty of time to prevent a tragedy, but a chambered striker-fired gun may not. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. I have no problem with a 1911 locked and loaded, there has been one in my car since I bought it in 2010. She now after many painful operations will be a partial cripple for the rest of her life. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. OFC, there are those that only want to own one gun. The finger does not go in the trigger guard until Im ready to fire. Mike Cumpston [Public domain], via Wikimedia CommonsCredit where due, its true that in days long past the best practice was to carry your revolver with the hammer resting on an empty chamber or on an empty primer nipple in pre-cartridge pistols. Its like arguing Android is better than iOS. Fuck off gov. Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: Another difference is that the Equalizer is only available chambered for the 9mm Luger, where the Shield EZ can be had in .380 Auto, 9mm Luger and .30 Super Carry. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Is really shouldnt be that hard. Pretty soon, it became standard for guns to have a manual safety switch. Its an unnatural, metallic noise that spooked him instantly, and I missed the snap shot at a running target, and he was gone. June 2016. I carry my Jericho the same way. And an unloaded weapon does you no good if/when you need it. Love the Quigly Down Under reference. Odds of the shooter getting 4 shots off would be pretty low. Not an appreciable amount of time. And my Glock 17. 3 your support hand may not be available. Have you ever negligently turned down the wrong way of a one way street? And, it actually impeded officers ability to hit a target. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. I have done special work to lighten my trigger and its still not very touchy. I put into the chamber a primed case w/o powder or bullet. The ground is about the best bullet backstop one can get. Um. When you carry, do you keep it chambered or do you keep it unchambered so you'd have to actually chamber your gun when you need to use it? Glocks have a blade in the trigger that is very light so that if the pistol is dropped, the inertia of the fall will not pull the trigger ( as the pistol is partially cocked). Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. Are you my mother? Let's dive into the depths of insanity when it comes to concealed carry myths. Is it just something one has to get used to? Notice if the trigger is ever depressed. If you want one of it, you must like it, so why wouldnt you want more? Come on, Gov, you know better than that. Maybe you just fumble finger the Glock when its out of the holster being put in a lockbox or on the counter at the range. Glock came up with this and called it the 'Glock Safe Action Trigger'. The Glock is a semi-automatic pistol that was originally designed by an Austrian manufacturer called Glock Ges.m.b.H in 1982. Nice catch. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. While holstering, train yourself to make damn sure theres nothing in the way. I carry with a round chambered in my autoloading handguns. 2. So you think youre perfect look in the mirror clown I am not trying to get an A here I really wonder if you can shoot at all like getting rounds on the target I think I hurt your feelings again wha what wha. In a way, the GLOCK trigger is similar to a double action revolver trigger. Ever. You are not going to change my mind. It has a safety, but I dont really care about that. and self styled know it alls. These Glocks have been beat to death and not once has the gun " fired " without some sort of trigger manipulation. But people *MODIFY* (for chrissake) their Glocks trying to make the trigger compete with a 1911, then wonder why they shot their foot off. Passive safeties Are Not A Replacement for an active safety. 21 foot rule gets those people every time. I submit extremely unlikely. -John Muir. Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? U.S. What youre proposing is more, Are glocks, or other strikers without safeties, truly safe?. , I never said I dont make mistakes I just never have with a gun hurt your feelings knute man up and get over it, Look what I found: The odds are not in favor of the added time it takes to try and chamber a round, let alone the stress of a real situation. But its hard to imagine a situation where a dropped gun firing into the ground could be a danger. Whatever stage you carry your weapon at be consistent. I too have a P89. I could give you many other identical examples of Glocks going off while the owner wore them or handled them. Glock is known for its proprietary barrel design which is said to provide a better seal between the bullet and barrel, allowing less propellant gas leakage and less bullet deformation. As in mentally deranged. Safety rule number 1 a gun is always loaded. Dave: And the 1911 series 80 fits into that category. I wouldnt worry about it. Carrying a Glock 26 or 27 in "conditon 1" (chambered) is comparable to carrying a loaded S&W Jframe revolver. I am sure you will tell us that since you are a stable genius it will never happen to you. On one of those occurances, my snubbie bbl. The gun itself Cannot be rendered safe without the chamber being empty. You just have to get comfortable with it. 1 you many not have time to chamber. Ever have your computer go slow for a second, but then it opens two(or more) of whatever you clicked on? An officer was chasing a man down a stairwell with his pistol drawn and the man was shot, but apparently, he was not actually a criminal. Agreement. I've never been to the range with you and I know . Cocked and locked . Mad about covers it. When the handgun is retrieved, the mag is shoved in and the gun is ready to fire. Every time I drive. I am at a point in my life that I seem to lose a bit more of something every day and way I see it , I can actually admit to myself that I dont totally trust me without that little conscience click of the safety anymore . MOLON LABE. Empty chamber is one option, but there are others. Dry fire and have a friend rush you with a fake knife. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity. People who carry them are so rare that I felt like it wasnt worth mentioning, and Im probably still right. If you cant train yourself to keep your finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to shoot any gun is dangerous in your hands. What kind of a moron thought THAT was a good idea? Frankly, most of us should be more concerned about our cholesterol anyway. That may be true but it is also irrelevant, since the *actual* cause of the negligent discharge is*negligence. It should stay the way it is. . These are: 1. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! A good 1/2 inch drive ratchet upside the head will drop most anyone like they were a sack of feed corn. In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em In the case of a fast draw in a conflict, you dont have time to check, but you still have time to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. 4) In such a rush and excitement even in a holster such as the case in Florida the police officer shot himself and the wall in a school and was clearly not in fear or stressed, so in all counts safety and training cause in the heat of the moment you may grab fast and shoot yourself. Wait a second, so youre telling me that I shouldnt keep my home defense gun in condition 3 but instead have it in condition 1 and put it in a lock box? She was brave. The hammer snagged on a branch, and he shot his horse (he was twisted by the tree). The Glock handgun is the preferred handgun of police worldwide. In a prima facie, on-paper, in-theory sense, thats true. I am lacking a rapier and main gauche though so maybe not ready for the six fingered man. Holstered the Glock like that into kydex holster. They are built using the patented Safe Action System which prevents unintentional firing. Ive run an experiment with a rough 1911 with a POS barrel that was scrap. Obviously carrying concealed greatly reduces the odds of your gun being taken, but that doesnt mean that precautions arent in order. Do you, punk? Boy, that must be realllll nice. However, that also creates issues. But in any case, the inertia must lie directly in line with the round, and then the round must stop suddenly, like when the muzzle hits the ground. It is a compact pistol that is chambered in 9mm and is designed for concealed carry. Just go to there web site, or go to your gun store for more information. How often are you drinking a glass of milk, or spilling coffee, or having a horn tooted at you while actually handling or holstering your firearm? If something else provides that energy to the pin, the primer wont care whether its in a chamber or not. Mr. Hoober, the only quibble I have with this article is the assumption that people only have a (as in singular) home defense gun. Those stances, their great for cops and competition but IMO bot so great in a gunfight up close. Almost always comes back to the trigger. So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. Is it a lot of work to train to the level where you never get it wrong? When all else fails eat a mucho big bowl of butter beans and a hand full of BBs that should put a whole new meaning to Kiss my a$$. But that would be true for almost ANY gun that didnt have a manual safety engaged. uncommon_sense: I would hope that, by now, you know whether or not the handgun you actually OWN has a firing pin safety. I will say this again: If other blogs can do it, then it can be done. We can talk about the merits of being able to shoot effectivly one handed. The full magazine has ten rounds, and the "+1" is the round that is in the chamber. Carrying a single-action pistol cocked-and-locked is far and away the best method of carry. I once owned 12 of them. By all means, carry what you are competent to handle effectively and safely. This is especially true when it comes to the popular Glock line of handguns. I have no problem carrying chambered but around the house or at the park I do not. A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber because a sharp bump or drop could cause it to fire. Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. When I carry a semiautomatic pistol for self defense, the chamber is loaded and the safety is on. I now have a Walther P99 (OK, Im a Walther fan). One of them is as you describe (a 3-screw Single Six). In my own case I carry a gun because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT and being prepared for the defense of my life is a purely secondary concern. Do not get me wrong here as training is vital, that said the real problem is you cant cure stupid, Murphy, or brain farts! Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense. I dont have to hit a bypass cause its cocked, or turn off a safety, just pump and fire. The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. The priming compound could care less WHAT hits it, so long as the blow has sufficient energy to activate the explosive charge in the primer, it will detonate. Why You Should Keep One Bullet in the Chamber. In practice? I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired. /sarc off/. Training happens every time we do something, no matter if its shooting, driving, or eating. That scenario is at least as plausible as a robbery. One was carrying a single action revolver without a transfer bar safety in a holster, and one under the hammer. Thats OK with me. For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. I carried it un-chambered for a few weeks till I was comfortable. In a holster made for the gun you carry, making sure its unobstructed is a quick check. Glocks are for professional that carry OWB at 3 o'clock where it is possible to see All the way around the holster While holstering the gun. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_5',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');The danger comes from dangerous gun handling and not following safe gun handling rules. See the old Remingtons. Hell you pour sand down MY ass crack and I'll jam up and and fail to extract Ive carried different glocks with a round chambered in iwb/owb holsters and never had a problem with it. Glocks have a trigger pull of 5-1/2 to 6 pounds. So yes, its completely safe. This has nothing to do with car=privilege firearm=right. For gun owners looking to maximize the life of their firearms, it's important to understand what type of ammunition is acceptable and safe to use in their guns. I notice that you had to go look it up though. Sykes wrote their highly influential book, " Shooting To Live," based on their experiences with the Shanghai Police Department. Other sites have no problem getting notifications to work NOW. Time waits for no man, and neither do bad guys. I have four (4) SA revolvers. Glocks have a very long trigger pull. But thats good. plan A: have an empty gun you throw onto the ground to start the action. lol 15 in the clip one in the pipe. Which gun would you choose if you could only have ONE each of: Rimfire rifle, rimfire pistol, centerfire rifle, centerfire pistol, and shotgun? Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? Carrying this way isn't for everybody though. Until I do, its one in the chamber with safety engaged and hammer down on a DA/SA pistol. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually become really popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. It was a girl participating in a shooting contest. Pray the gay away gov. Folks, a GLOCK (or any other striker-fired pistol) is perfectly safe with a little intelligence combined with a bit of assiduity. The guns must of been 1911s or Browning HPs or similar SA only. Been reading the thread here on this topic, since we all have an O I quite agree with your spot on comment Sir. Hmm that give away means youre at least in your 60s bordering on senility. As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. Of course, when I was a soldier, I listened to guys who had been there. I have a Sig DA/SA, fully loaded no problem. Or some jackass was pocket carrying his G43 without a holster and something snagged the trigger. So instead of just grabbing said gun from the night stand and chambering a round, I should keep it loaded and put it in a lock box so that I can fumble around with a tiny key and try and put it in a tiny hole in the dark? Sound off in the comments. When I was a lot younger, I was riding horses with some friends. I can cycle the bolt almost as fast as I can take the safety off, even when I stepped on a black bear who was sleeping under a downed tree. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? Absolutely YES!! You could also chamber a snap cap, holster it, do your daily routine around the house and then check if trigger was pulled. This pistol gained [] On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. Barrel: 4.5. Me personally I carry a snap cap in the chamber, so if some lucky bastard grabs my gun and shoots hes about to be dead. Then I chambered a round. IMO, anyway. this aint Dodge city and you aint Bill Hickok Blam, Blam,Blam!