Regarding the existing photos its a big mess. Thanks for any information you can provide. I dont see any pit. The girls phone records later showed that they started making their initial distress calls on their cell phones approximately 2 hours and 45 minutes after their last known daytime photo (Photo 508). The point is that all of this case was poorly handled by the authorities. Here is what I see: There has recently been something in the news about it. There is discussion in reference to a possible cave, but is there any evidence that the girls found a cave besides perhaps Kriss hair appearing unusually dry in the night photos? The removed comment provided nothing helpful in any respect, and was merely to get attention and reactions. I think that the taxi driver knew who has killed them thats why sb killed him, the guide man who found the bones and their belongings can be the murderer and he was the person went to their room maybe to find the cable charge maybe pretending that he hadnt visited them on the reserved time, then he put their bag and money and camera for police because he was scared they search his house too, the locals heard screaming and then a crash (broken bones due to fall) in the jungle 4 days after their missing and warned about that to some french tourist, this article is long and I didnt sleep last night. Patients often tell our staff about finding the corpses of people who have suffered fatal falls or drowned in swollen rivers. I have one questions for you, regarding the 90 photos taken at night: if these were not taken by one of the girls in an attempt to provide light or whatever, what possible purpose could anyone else, such as an attacker, have in taking these photos? Perhaps incriminating photos existed on the camera before and new photos were taken to overwrite the cameras memory files, therefore preventing the old photos from being extracted from the cameras digital memory. They were lost very shortly after arriving at their destination, And then they made a huge mistake by heading due north to find their way back home and they should have been going to the southeast. Out of respect for the girls families, I think that comments like this, which I argue turn this case into some sort of entertaining Netflix series, should be removed. The dog found his way home. The case needs solid evidence and/or solid witnesses coming forward. I upscaled that image with AI correction and its 100x more clear that there is obviously a trap or makeshift roofing above her. Instead, they think What words can I say to make my local population feel better? After all, locals elect these same authorities. He wants the gringos to go away and leave him in peace. Thorough job, very insightful and so well done Please visit Panama and further investigate. A Panamanian search and rescue team helped recover the bodies after more than 690 hours of searching, authorities said. Maybe its just pareidolia, but i think its a manmade object. Most of the bones were never found. I do not think this case fits the criteria of missing 411. I think in the original photo she is putting on her backpack, stretching her arm and back, and the backpack has been airbrushed out because of course she didnt take that with her. I think investigation isnt the correct word. Its part of life in the countryside and small towns. I find it odd that the young American girl was murdered not long after this not far away as with the taxi driver who was found depended likely murdered. It looks as though she has a mouse under her right eye. It could be that the taxi driver couldve called someone and given them a heads up that two beautiful young ladies had just headed up the Pianista alone. The remains of two American women who went missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama a month ago have been recovered, officials said. Has anyone gone back to the spot where the photo was taken? She is not tied up, there is no rope around her waist and there are no hidden or blurry people in the photo. Also mobile signals are better at night yet no calls were attempted. He has a whole series of You Tube videos (over 50) that were made that show that the pictures were manipulated and he names the suspect. And I think that sunlight she is trying t avoid also is the reason for her facial expression. Dutch tourists in Panama Two Dutch tourists Kris Lemers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22 disappeared while out on a hike in Panama in April 2004. If you can rule out getting lost or falling off the trail in that circle, all my money is on foul as a hiker myself, it would be totally unnatural to hold your hands behind your back in that way AND bend your body AND twist your body out of alignment. A tragedy and a mystery but in its core, this is only a horrible accident. I believe that by the time this photo was taken, the situation has gone sideways. And it seems to be leading to a dead-end. At dawn the rain stops and she sets out. To inquire about a licence to reproduce material, visit our Syndication site. How many tourists go to Australia? There is no traces of them anywhere. Lets try one more time then (and please dont censor this, even if you think that it is not pretty murders rarely are! He goes down some intriguing avenues which while I may not agree with either the direction or point have value because they stimulate me to think. . My question is: Who has the ability to manipulate both the cameras internal storage database and the photos? Theres no evidence that animals scavenged the Holandesas., Panamanian IMELCF Forensic Anthropologist, This is from the Daily Beast interview with Jeremy Kryt titled: The Lost Girls, the Bones, and the Man in the Panama Morgue. Looks like some of sort of indigenous artifact/trail marker. Id love to know if these pics exsist. I knew there was a lot of interest in the case but I never expected to find a sophisticated group collaborating at this level. I do not see any eyes, but I can definitely see a nose and a mouth. Beyond that, the police are even suspect in altering evidence and not preserving it. For further details of our complaints policy and to make a complaint please click this link: thesun.co.uk/editorial-complaints/, The girls saved up for six months for the trip to Panama, One of the last pictures taken on a camera belonging to one of the girls, The contents of a backpack found near a river and handed in by a local woman, A foot was found still inside a boot two months after the girls vanished, Photos released from the camera showed some of the girl's belongings scattered around the rocks, And one image appears to show the back of Kris's head - possibly with blood around the bottom of her hair, Chilling photos found on missing hikers camera show mysterious final moments before girls vanished in Panama jungle, Headteacher sacked 'after sending parents a list of striking teachers' as school launches probe, Isle of Innisfree ferry: Blaze breaks out on boat carrying 183 people in English Channel as lifeboats scramble to scene. If its part of the trail where people walk all the time I dont think something is up with this place. The overriding input is human. As the effort wore on, they enlisted the help of the Wisconsin-based volunteer search and recovery organization Bruce's Legacy and set up a GoFundMe to help defray the costs of bringing the nonprofit to Panama. She is NOT looking at the ground, but at the camera, with her face up. She realizes she has to try to find the river and decides to leave at dawn. Visit Panama City Beach officials tell us in 2021, our tourism numbers were up 50% over pre-pandemic numbers. If you find more info about this, please feel free to share it. ), which doesnt look natural. The alarm was initially raised about the disappearance of the girls after they missed a private walking tour of Boquete on April 2. Update Dec 2, 2021: The full-resolution version of this photo was released in 2021. Someone watched them swimming. When I look at the picture I think I can see both her arms. The night time photos are not relevant but the result of someone playing with the camera. So I see men in the cave. Thank you for your consideration. I dont understand the question. The pair had been hiking around the jungle for two weeks as part of a backpacking trip - and they were planning to stay for another four weeks with their host family to volunteer at a local school. Blue, a dog known throughout the community, reportedly followed them along the trail. In which photos? I know that its highly irregular for 17 foreigners to uproot their lives and relocate to the obscure jungles of Panama, especially for the purpose of sacrificing locals (whom are often Catholic). I think its possible the red and black object is actually just a reddish-brown dead plant leaf jungle leaves can get rather large. Blue is an uncommon color in the rainforest for anything of that size. It even appears they have some kind tattoo on their back. Surely they would put them back on if only for a little insulation. Bu that he meant an outcome which had no human input to the consequences. IF there was a dog with them why then did they not photograph it? I want to come!! Give me a link. I dont believe that anything ominous is happening to Kris in this specific photo. Maybe they stumbled on a hidden stash of drugs or something wierd and were taking a photo of the location in order to report it to the police, but got caught before they could. We can only speculate without more evidence of that. Are they low-level or sophisticated or a combo or both? They came to learn a language and embrace a culture. This was either something catastrophic or a developing situation due for example to them getting lost. One indication is that I cannot see the shoulder strap of her top that is obscured by her white/fair forearm. Hi Tom, I believe you intended to comment above, on @SwordOfGods comment. There were no signs at that time. Debra Ann Velleman, 70, of Waukesha, Wisconsin, and Sue Borries, 57, of Teutopolis, Illinois, both retired public school teachers, were part of a community of snowbirds and expats living in the area of Chame, Panama. Do we know who owned the dog named Blue (aka Azul). For the first handful, a correct password was entered. If there are documented river paths, this could be a way to find that exact same location. Thank you for reading. However, a lot of the photos seem to have been tampered with and one of them was even deleted from their camera, which could only have been done using a computer. You would write something out on notepad or at least be texting everyone in your address book hoping one got through saying Help. https://photos.app.goo.gl/nVA1PDjjeVwULeo66. If you would know (and read) every bits & pieces of this story, you would actually see that the they got lost theory does not hold up with any of the facts and evidence found, not at all, not one bit. Why are you not sharing their photo number, why are you stating generalities, let me help you, there is a link with all the photos https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html The last set of pics is especially chilling to me, my first thought was Lisanne may have been bound & hurt & somehow able to gain access to the camera & made a last attempt to signal for help or document everything around her as best she could & thats why all the angles are so awkward & unfocused. THANK GOD SOMEONE IS SEEING WHAT I SEE. I could be wrong, but until I see some compelling evidence to the contrary, Im sticking with Juans theory. What if she was trying to get fire with the mirror and the paper? Thanks in advance! The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. Two Dutch women who went missing in April in Panama are now confirmed dead, according to police and the women's families.