Why couldn't he find a sense of purpose or place there? He's deeply unhappy and he stumbles on this whole world that stands in direct opposition to the world that he comes from. , As things progressed down the line the job didnt work out. As I learned later on, hes becoming very belligerent to Mother. . After Lees return, approximately two weeks, in the latter part of June 1962, he gets a call from one of the FBI agents I believe that was Mr. Fain in wanting to have a meeting with him. the best way to support us is to become a member at SGTreport.TV or become a SubscribeStar Member Thank you & God bless. It was wall-to-wall reporters, police officers, FBI, Secret Service. Lee Harvey Oswald did not have any particular animus for John F. Kennedy. He wasn't political. He wants to do like Hemingway. He wants to get some experience and write about it. Industries Crime and. It wasn't uncommon, after all, for American communists to experience disillusionment with the Soviet Union. It was a game to him. Yes, I think that there is a process here, in the same way there had been a process in the Soviet Union, in the same way there'd been a process in the Marines, and the same way there'd been a process coursing through his adolescence. So, to me, that was his back-up plan if everything else failed. You look at that last year -- his work, and his family, trying to go to Cuba, trying to go back to Russia. As Ruby evidently mismanaged the operation, he was given a choice to either finish the job himself or forfeit his life. It just didnt fit. He failed at both. The planning that Lee did probably at least extended all the way back to the time he was in Japan because of the clothes he purchased at the time. But things were tight at that time. Sat, Feb 25, 2023 LOGIN Subscribe for $1 That's not to suggest it was in any way any less than that, but it's just that we refuse to see it in its true light. I think three major things [were] on his mind at that particular time. Or he just walked the streets, ride the subways. He was relaxed, but at about the second day, he starts talking about where he's going. When Lee is discharged, early discharge in September 1959, he returns to Fort Worth for about three days. We spent some time together. He said, "I don't know what they're talking about." But the facts are there. Did she let you know and did she let him know that the kids were a burden? Historically in his life, it was always done by himself. I was just completely in the dark. One individual gave him a letter saying he could speak and write Russian at a particular level that he thought was real good. If it didn't work for Russia, he was going to stay in Europe anyway. I asked him about this lawyer in New York and I told him I would get him one down here, meaning in Texas. I'm sure for a certain minimal fee, you could ride the subways all day, and he would do it just to get around. I didn't press it any further. Author Norman Mailer, and others, have questioned why Ruby would have left his two beloved dogs in his car if he had planned on killing Oswald at police headquarters.The House Select Committee on Assassinations in its 1979 Final Report opined: Ruby's shooting of Oswald was not a spontaneous act, in that it involved at least some premeditation. He started becoming more and more independent and out on his own because Mother was working all the time, no brothers around, no father figure around, no adult that he was acquainted with that he could rely on to and talk to. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with the first broadcast of FRONTLINE's "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?". That to me is very plausible for him to do. LEGEND: THE SECRET WORLD OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD : Epstein, Edward Jay: Amazon.es: Libros. Lee and Marina were having difficulties, just by being together -- I guess by being put in new circumstances and everything. Arriving in Moscow on October 16, he declared that he wished to renounce his U.S. citizenship and become a Soviet national. Hed actually applied for Albert Schweitzers school in Switzerland, and been accepted for that summertime or fall semester. Visitors can watch a large bank of television sets recalling the Kennedy assassination and Lee Harvey Oswald's capture. You look at the factual data, you look at the rifle, you look at the pistol ownership, you look at his note about the Walker shooting. They didnt finalize that. I struggled through about 10 or 15 pages of it. She is wanting to go back to Russia. What do you say to people who are so convinced or are trying to believe in his innocence? If you had to take a guess about when he got his political beliefs, how he was introduced to Marxism, what would you guess? LEGEND: THE SECRET WORLD OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD : Epstein, Edward Jay: Amazon.nl: Boeken. In one of the Warren Commission's exhibits, Hal Collins is listed as a character reference by Ruby on a Texas liquor license application.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ruby I've managed to keep it quiet." What was his wife, Marina, like? Radio Talk Show Host, Bob Allen Hes already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. He never did answer. None took him seriously. I think thats an understatement. You had said that he had very much been on his own in New York. Lee would rebel against the discipline of the Marine Corps when he had the opportunity to, when the leeway was there. Well, his concern was, was there anything that I was aware of that [there] were going to be charges placed against him from anybody? He was using his own imagination. He was using his own imagination. He always enjoyed books, but then he started exploring other areas. It's there; put it to rest. This was his grand experience at the time. He was making fun of how inept they were, and he was making fun of them all the time. This was unsettling. , I think Ive come to an understanding of Lee that I have now that I didnt, of course I mean, I watched the deterioration of a human being. Lee Harvey Oswald (October 18, 1939 - November 24, 1963) was a U.S. Marine veteran who assassinated John F. Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States, on November 22, 1963. He is the older brother of Lee Harvey Oswald, and a former Marine and salesman. When Lee came back, how did he react to visits from the FBI when they came and saw him here? So if we don't understand something, we assume that there is some sort of plot or conspiracy -- that there is an order, and we're just not seeing it. Chapter 1: Summary and Conclusions Chapter 2: The Assassination Chapter 3: The Shots from the Texas School Book Depository Chapter 4: The Assassin Chapter 5: Detention and Death of Oswald Chapter 6: Investigation of Possible Conspiracy Chapter 7: Lee Harvey Oswald: Background and Possible Motives Chapter 8: The Protection of the President Here was a start. OK?\"Another motive was put forth by Frank Sheeran, allegedly a hitman for the Mafia, in a conversation he had with the then-former Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa. Apparently he'd been planning this for a long time. This was a part of his character, that inner self, that we used to say, Me, myself and I will do something.. That's where he started doing a lot of reading and everything. It maybe opened up some doors for him. In comparison to yourself, what was Lee missing from his childhood? He didnt elaborate on that. They even asked me if Id ever been an agent of the federal government or the CIA. I said, What did you tell them? He says, Well, dont you know? and he just laughed. As far as Lee giving any information to the Russians while he was over there, even though he said he would if they had asked, apparently they weren't interested in it. I say that in all honesty, because he tried to become what he needed to be to achieve his immediate objectives; i.e., he needed to be a Marxist and accept the Russians [to] get the experience in Russia. And that's all it was. So he thought hed get a post office box that would be a permanent-type thing. Nothing illustrates the thinness, the superficiality of Oswald's ideology as his growing disillusionment with the Soviet Union. Mobile users: Watch the archive video by clicking here. This type of thing would interest him, whether he went to an art museum or a library or a movie theater or just walked around and saw sights. He was seeming to be pretty adamant about it. . . What did he have in the back of his mind? LEGEND: THE SECRET WORLD OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD : Epstein, Edward Jay: Amazon.com.mx: Libros. Selecteer de afdeling waarin je wilt zoeken. How would he have reacted to that? What did he say, and what were you trying to get out of him? Oswald met Marina in March of 1961, and he immediately sees in Marina the antidote to Ella German, who had really broken his heart. I said, "Lee, they've got you charged with the death of the president, shooting a police officer. . The main thing was getting a job and a manuscript. He had an interesting experience and he had a Russian wife. The main thing was getting a job and a manuscript. I think the way Lee learned New York was just apply himself to it. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? While he does not see Oswald as a Soviet, CIA or FBI recruit, he is careful to point out many of the unanswered questions regarding Oswald's mysterious associations and possible ties to the mob. I asked him, I said, "Lee, what in the Sam Hill is going on?" This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? On Nov. 22, [1963] it went way downhill. This was 1959. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? New York City. He was on his own in libraries. , Finally, I guess, I couldnt stand it anymore. He did not and would not talk to any of the interrogators about anything of substance. I had to ask him very serious questions. Can you summarize what the atmosphere was like there that Saturday, and what you made of it? That was it. He's always under this impression. Tell me about his growing problems with Marina. The mind tells me one thing, and the heart tells me something else. He wasnt present when they took a head count [at the Texas School Book Depository]. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" Youve talked about Lees character trying to do something, getting frustrated, doing something dramatic. He had the superficialities of radicalism, but that's what appealed to him: the sense of belonging, of being very serious. When he first approached the divided cubicles and I picked up the telephone on my side, he picked up his. To try to understand why Lee did what he did on Nov. 22 is a cumulative effect of all his past plans and efforts and failures. We talked about this at a great length during that first week. That distinction belongs to my CBS colleague Bob. He said no, that wasnt necessary, he could take care of it. One, we tend to think of Kennedy as having been so great and really all-powerful, almost mythological, and at the same time we tend to think of Oswald as so low, that it seems unfathomable that somebody so low, so inconsequential, could topple someone so great. The other thing was he wanted to get settled with the job. [37]Within hours of Ruby's arrest for shooting Oswald, a telegram was received at the Dallas city jail in support of Ruby, under the names of Hal and Pauline Collins. She could really become somebody from New York real easy when shes in Texas, putting on the air[s], whatever you call it. Thats the way I read him at the time. Our mother was Lees most important person in his life. I would love to be able to say that Lee was not involved in any way whatsoever, or much less to the extent that I believe that he was. Did he talk about the Russian system and the American system and comparing the two? One individual gave him a letter saying he could speak and write Russian at a particular level that he thought was real good. That was a training ground [for] his imagination. He was just out of the Marine Corps. Could you describe Oswald's relationships with women? If Ukrainian intelligence did penetrate Putin's inner circle, Budanov would have never publicly blurted it out. Zoeken Amazon.nl. Uploaded by I would love to be able to say that Lee was not involved in any way whatsoever, or much less to the extent that I believe that he was. What was his concern? ISIS is in Afghanistan, But Who Are They Really? During the conversation, Hoffa claimed that Ruby was assigned the task of coordinating police officers who were loyal to Ruby to murder Oswald while he was in their custody. There was always a constant move. Tell me about that, and what his attitude is and the kinds of things you talked about. And it's not surprising, because in many ways Marina was the antithesis of Ella. (TV) Summary. Marina had gone over there to live with somebody until he got established over there. They didnt know for sure if he was an agent or not. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. You cant set that aside just because he is saying, Im a patsy. Id love to do that, but you cannot. With regard to his return home from Russia in June 1962 with his family what did he tell you about reporters meeting him, and what do you think it really meant? on May 8, 2016. He told me about it, and I told him Id go with him. He never did answer. When Lee came back to Fort Worth, what kind of spirits was he in, and what kind of hopes did he have for his new life here? People ought to take note of this, that he should be interesting. This is a struggle that has gone on with me for almost 30 years now. As I learned later on, he's becoming very belligerent to Mother. . And by the time we get to late 1960, he's beginning to think that maybe he's made a mistake -- he's not quite sure, but he's thinking that. The shooting was broadcast live nationally, and millions of television viewers witnessed it. Although Marina declined to be interviewed for FRONTLINE's program, McMillan talks about the perplexing, troubling events of Oswald's life based on what Marina confided to her. You look at that last year his work, and his family, trying to go to Cuba, trying to go back to Russia. There's hard physical evidence there. By Melissa De Witte Those alive when John F. Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963, remember where they were and what they were doing when they heard the news the president had been shot. When you learned he had defected, did you have any explanation? But I think all of Oswald's remarks are included here.To hear Lee Harvey Oswald's two radio interviews, go here:http://Oswald-On-The-Radio.blogspot.com Later in the day, after driving into town with his two pet dogs and sending an emergency money order to one of his employees, Ruby walked to the nearby police headquarters, where he made his way to the basement via the Main Steet ramp. Jon and Jo Ann Hagler on behalf of the Jon L. Hagler Foundation. He wants to get some experience and write about it. What he did after he left the building is known: bus ride, taxi ride, boardinghouse, pick up the pistol, leave, shoot the police officer. Selecciona el departamento que quieras buscar. [To those who say,] He didnt own a rifle. We know he owned a rifle. Lees fantasy life, to me, became apparent in the 1948, 1949, 1950 period. Can you sort of talk about that character trait? Find out in the 2015 documentary Outbreak, newly available to stream on FRONTLINEs YouTube channel. To try to understand why Lee did what he did on Nov. 22 is a cumulative effect of all his past plans and efforts and failures. One was he wanted to get his manuscript typed up and written. It's always personal. In November, 1959, as a reporter in Moscow, she had interviewed a twenty-year-old ex-Marine at the Metropole Hotel in Moscow named Lee Harvey Oswald, who'd announced he wanted to defect to. After the assassination you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. The fact that he could put on a facade and pretend to be somebody he wasn't -- to me, it gets down to what happened later on. Theyve gone to the extreme measures to prove that he owned that rifle. At what age Lee started gathering this, or sensing it, or hearing it and applying it to him, I dont know. A flat-screen TV plays interviews with Paine about Marina, Lee Harvey, Paine's grief about the assassination and the terrible aftermath. He was seeming to be pretty adamant about it. You've got all the physical evidence that ties together. Saltar al contenido principal.com.mx. Included is an interview with Abraham Zapruder, the clothing manufacturer and amateur moviemaker who shot the now . We're talking seven, eight, nine, 10 years old. That influence was just tremendous on him. It was a terrible thing to look at. He just wanted to see what he could do about getting it done. He wasnt political. You could tell by the tone of the language, not that we could understand the Russian language, but the tone and the facial expressions that they were having an argument. He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when he's coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? He would tolerate anything for a little bit. He was quickly integrated into the mechanism of daily proletarian life in the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. If somebody passed out a leaflet on the street that contained a political statement for Marxism or communism or what have you, and if Lee had not run across that before, I could envision him looking at it, keeping it and saying, "Well, I wonder what this is all about." But he had said he was going to give the Russians any information he had, and it seemed like he did. Later, after the Kennedy. Lee Harvey Oswald lived just a few minutes away from Walker in Dallas in a rented duplex that he shared with his wife Marina and their baby girl. Tell me about his growing problems with Marina. It's good that people raise questions and say, "Wait a minute, let's take a second look at this." I say that in all honesty, because he tried to become what he needed to be to achieve his immediate objectives; i.e., he needed to be a Marxist and accept the Russians [to] get the experience in Russia. I said, "What did you tell them?" As chief counsel to the 1977 House Select Committee on Assassinations, Blakey led the investigation into President John F. Kennedy's assassination, reexamining the evidence with a new forensics panel. From Russia, he had written you, saying that he was worried about charges being brought against him when he came back. So then what happens, and how does he get to Dallas? But then, Oct. 31, we hear that hes in Russia. I dont know how you want to express it, but thats the way he characterized her at the time. Lee Harvey Oswald is dragged from the Texas Theatre by Patrolman C.T. If they didn't know who worked for them, he could always say he worked for them; he was in control of the FBI then. According to Robert Oswald, the "hard physical evidence" leads him to one conclusion: "The Warren Commission was correct." There's another seed that's planted in him that stayed there forever. Even fifty years later, Oswald's Minsk period remains understudied, despite the fact that Oswald's time in the Soviet Union was the longest period of stability in his life. He finally got a job that wasnt exactly what he really wanted, but it was a start. But the diminutive nineteen-year-old Marine was serious. Marina repeated to McMillan what she told the Warren Commission in 1964--that her husband was not capable of being recruited as a conspirator, and that he most likely acted alone in killing President Kennedy. So you're saying, in a sense, he is the ultimate pragmatist? Whether Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone to assassinate President John F. Kennedy has been the subject of countless articles, books, and movies. Its good that people raise questions and say, Wait a minute, lets take a second look at this. But when you take the second look and the third and the 40th and the 50th, hey, enoughs enough. Consequently, people left it wide open. So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that theyre moving to Dallas. With regard to his return home from Russia in June 1962 with his family -- what did he tell you about reporters meeting him, and what do you think it really meant? It just floors me, it floored me then. New book by Hoover fellow recounts his experiences knowing JFK's assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald. My first lawyer Tom Howard told me to say that I shot Oswald so that Caroline and Mrs. Kennedy wouldn't have to come to Dallas to testify. Those are the indications that say he took some thought, some planning over a long period of time. In your mind, are there questions about whether Lee shot President Kennedy? Similarly, the committee believed it was less likely that Ruby entered the police basement without assistance, even though the assistance may have been provided with no knowledge of Ruby's intentions The committee was troubled by the apparently unlocked doors along the stairway route and the removal of security guards from the area of the garage nearest the stairway shortly before the shooting There is also evidence that the Dallas Police Department withheld relevant information from the Warren Commission concerning Ruby's entry to the scene of the Oswald transfer.When Ruby was arrested immediately after the shooting, he told several witnesses that he helped the city of Dallas \"redeem\" itself in the eyes of the public, and that Oswald's death would spare \"Mrs. The two-hour documentary special traces Oswald's life from his boyhood to that fateful day in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, posing a number of questions: Was Oswald the emotionally disturbed "lone. Talk about his mothers importance to him. Usually, it has to do with a man, sometimes it has to do with a job, but the threat that courses through his childhood and adolescence is a frenetic, harried, peripatetic that is entirely his mother's concoction. She had certain characteristics that were so much like Lee: the time and circumstances always seemed to be against her; the world owed her a living; she wanted to be somebody. Theyve got the camera. He says he got that at the theater, and they hadnt been mistreating him since then. He knew something they didn't know, and he would keep it to himself. He knew something they didnt know, and he would keep it to himself. She had been overbearing or whatever. . Oswald never stood trial for murder, because, while being transferred after having been taken into custody, he was shot and killed by Jack Ruby, a distraught Dallas nightclub owner. He seemed to really get involved with it and hang onto it after the programs were over. He had tapped into or been drawn to the emotions which that politics helped to foment, but did he have a deep understanding of how revolutions unfold, and the relationship between the proletariat and the means of production? I think that, more than anything, sheds a spotlight on the one-dimensionality of his ideological commitments, as it were. You'll receive access to exclusive information and early alerts about our documentaries and investigations. He toyed with people like that. Using archival footage, interviews and dramatic reconstruction, "Killing Oswald" explores the mystery of how and why John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald were assassinated in 1963. Cuenta y listas Devoluciones y . FRONTLINE+wgbh+pbsi, web site copyright 1995-2014 Now apparently, for whatever reasons or however they checked it out, they found out whatever he knew wasnt necessarily anything theyd be interested in. What did he do? Gerald Hill.. He was relaxed, but at about the second day, he starts talking about where hes going. Fingeroth also conducted interviews with Ruby family members and associates. WGBH educational foundation, In Fight Against ISIS, a Lose-Lose Scenario Poses Challenge for West. With John F. Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald, Nigel Barber, Raymond Burns. He's failing in his marriage and in his attempts to do whatever he wants to do. He gave it to me either the first or second night to read. But he finally said, "Brother, you won't find anything there.". Nobody was telling him whether this was good, bad or indifferent, or what the consequences of what his actions were. But I think he was disappointed. This was a part of his character, that inner self, that we used to say, "Me, myself and I will do something.". I don't think he had much experience with women, if any, before moving to the Soviet Union.