As soon as she was, they should have rewritten Tilly from being a cadet to being a lieutenant or something. Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. Tillys a fantastic character. Sonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? In season three Tilly was first officer and then acting captain; how does all of that affect who she is in season four? Mary Wiseman: That experience affects her so much this season. ;). So many characters, and all were very well developed with interesting stories. WTF this is why Ive been following Star Trek since the original in 1967 when I saw Nichelle Nichols. Acceptance? Be sure to watch Mary Wiseman "Killying it" as Ensign Sylvia Tilly on Star Trek: Discovery. My point was Why does the ships therapist have a bridge station? I expect that well have her in the world and all of those things. KevinB: Oh, I agree with you, in the sense that nothing is perfect and there are flaws and issues here and there. It would make sense if you knew the story ;) Lets just say Jake did write his famous book a couple of years after the end of DS9, but in the years and decades ahead he went on to much bigger things and took his career and his life in a very different direction. We have no information that Beyer consults in this show. Im sure nearly everyone of the crew of TNG had issues and problems. That will be the one I read first! The following contains spoilers from Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. She also revealed some of her inspirations for this version of Tilly: There is a little Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender in there. That sort of thing contributes to some pretty hardcore dysmorphia sure, they are famous and have luxuries and money so many of us dont, but hearing stories like how Carrie Fisher was told she should lose weight to be able to reprise Leia, or how Kumail Nanjani is scarily fixated on his physical appearance now is sad. 42 comments so far. You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. She is absolutely beautiful just as she is. I think that she is one of the go-to people when there is hard science stuff to crack. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. Having Tilly be one was justdumb. Even 1,000 years into the future, Burham cannotoh well, that is a different story for a different post. American actress Mary Wiseman was born on July 30, 1985. Thats the thing about DSC. Everyone has their gifts. I like me. Yet, she is. Obligatory mention of the stupid turbolifts and how dumb they are. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. advantage. Many smoke to keep the weight off. Or are you only a troll if you criticize something about Discovery? Just underused. But Tilly and the nervous mess Adira has devolved into? The future doesnt have a preferred accent. Well, Renos really more engineering. Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. And Tilly is the Trekkie. Bad, character pandering types of writing, with over-emotional children in the roles of astronaut-scientist-soldiers. I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. Hey writers room go back to TNG and see how a child became an honourary bridge officer on the Enterprise D. (something equally puzzling to say the least) Picard did it because the Traveller who could traverse space time and see the future and past told Picard it was extremely important to encourage the boy. Correct me if I am wrong, but did she not have to take a command course at some point? Although there are speculations of Mary Wiseman's pregnancy, she is not. That one ship generates more energy than present-day Earths entire human energy expenditure, generates its own artificial gravity, and violates causality routinely. But one could argue a ship full of Barclays is not the most convincing portrait of humanity. People sit around a lot more nowadays for a lot of reasons. Assuming you are American, Im from outside America where it makes a huge difference in how the characters comes across.America is not the world as Morrissey once said. Body shaming is wrong and immature. Perhaps season four will address Burnham and Tillys unreadiness on more than an emotional level. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. Nice girl but still jostling with Burnham as the most annoying character on the show. I dont think Tilly is ruined. So I was also just very excited for the fans. Its all relative, but I dont see a lot of actors being body-shamed. Sisko on the other hand. This is why Discovery is polarising and this is why people four seasons in still dislike Burnham and Tilly as characters. This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. After Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Tilly (Mary Wiseman) journey to a planet alongside Burnham's mother Gabrielle (Sonja Sohn), things get a little hairy when the Qowat Milat nun they're . Everybody does NOT love Tilly. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. Discovery may have just said goodbye to one of its crew, but don't worry: She'll be back. Ok, SH didnt invent this. Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. Paradise was most likely referring to the shows production and creative teams. We need to examine our highest ideals and allegiances to reveal our preconceived notions, shallow knee-jerk reactions, and find the truth about our choices. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. This post (handouts bad habits yada yada yada) is your latest misogny, homophobia and white supremacy , and I am sick and tired of it. What accent? Sonequa is by all accounts probably the best or one of the best chef de compagnie of all the Trek series. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. You misunderstood. Contents 1 Early life 2 Starfleet career 2.1 USS Discovery 2.1.1 The war 2.1.2 Post-war 2.1.3 32nd century 3 Personal relationships 3.1 Friendships None of us are and its okay. That is definitely not a true statement. I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. She hasnt mentored anyone except in one episode. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. DSC has a wonderful cast and a neat diverse set of characters. I echo your sentiments exactly, David. Tilly (Mary Wiseman) leads the stranded Starfleet cadets to safety. Waste of talent. Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). Ive re-learned through life experiences how to stop and smell the roses again you might say, among other things. And another way to look at it: at least its not another hour of tv taken by a reality show, right? But its the elephant we have in the room, these days. It feels the only reason was to have a non-binary character, which after a few episodes ended up fading into the background with the rest of the furniture anyway. This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. I believe we can thank Mack for helping the Showrunners and writers identify species that would work in Prodigy and for some deep cuts. I originally was skeptical but then I turned around in season 1 and really started enjoying it. Although criticism of a performance is valid (Burnhams whispering, over emoting etc.) She seems to be a lovely human being and all that in real life but her acting is not the best. That finale appearance was basically a cameo. As you put it: I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. You either think about what you can contribute to society or how society owes you handouts, respect for above-mentioned bad habits, fictitious pronouns even. Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. | December 23, 2020 | Release date: Star Trek Discovery season 4 will release on November 18 in the US. Im reaally hoping season 4 will be smoother, Im holding thumbs here. While Im excited to get back to the 32nd century and see whats changed since season 3 Im still not excited for the season itself. Then there are many women like Sonequa, who feel theyre too skinny. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. That could be it. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). David Ajala: Ive never thought about that. There is also the issue that a crew needing constant therapy sessions while regularly saving the galaxy is not an easy narrative trick to pull off. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. She would have flushed out of SFA in her first year. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. If you cant deal with the idea of conflicting opinions then I really dont think you should be online at the moment. I recall when Trek featured a French captain with an English accent. Along with this, the biggest thing that Michael aided Tilly with was her confidence. The doctor was usually the therapist. But my initial annoyed response to DISCO in particular, well, Ive let go of that in the past two years, as life is too short to get all worked-up angry over personal quibbles with a tv show. You are always very insightful. Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. Sonequa Martin-Green in Unification III, Co-showrunner Michelle Paradise shared some behind-the-scenes photos from Terra Firma, Part 2.. I do find their quirks annoying at times, but the most important reason I like them is because theyre honest, kind people with a good heart. Its a tricky one, as someone who is outside America and didnt have English as the first language growing up its more noticeable. He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. However, we do know that David Mack does. The Delta Quadrant is a dangerous place, and the remnants of species and societies that survived around the edges of the Borg network and incursions were harsh and justifiably skeptical of the Federations. [laughs] Everybody loves Tilly. The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly. Ive learned a lot of bad spelling comes from dictating into your smartphone. Too nervous and anxious. I know everyone is different but for me, once I hit my mid-30s my metabolism slowed down, so I had to cut back on the amount of food I ate compared to when I was 25. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. Maybe sociological issues? As someone with severe and sometimes crippling anxiety whos managed to have a pretty successful high-pressure career, I question your assertion that she never would have graduated Starfleet., You clearly never served in a military environment. Whereas Tilly is an oh shes just like me and validates all my insecurities so its ok to be as I am. I think the CW has been using something like this for years. The message she is sending how? I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. She is relatable and human and wonderful. I like her personality though, mostly. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew, one of which was with the pair-up of Mary Wiseman (Tilly) and David Ajala (Book). And so she will be part of this universe and this world for many years to come. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. Mary Wiseman Net Worth The net worth of Mary Wiseman has been estimated at $1 million. In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. I will have to go check it out. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. The writing for him is trying in season 1, but from Samaritan Snare onwards I actually think hes kinda endearing and has decent utility. When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. Mack is one of the core group of Trek authors going back to shortly before Nemesis. There are admittedly quite a few other Starfleet officers Scotty and Riker, for example who prove that being chunky is still a thing in the future. Well said, Edward. Where is this? I think the ship can handle a little chonk. Tillys character arc was mishandled once they realized Mary Wiseman was cast (Marys a decade or more older than Tilly). Xanadu? Definitely not a dig at the actress, she is only delivering what the directors and producers have asked her to deliver. I have to agree. So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. Its been sooo inconsistent from day one. As long as the stories remain laser-focused on the *people* their *relationships* and the *emotions* generated therein, instead of ships, gadgets, and effects, well be fine. I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. I just dont remember if it was something I read years ago or if it was in an interview with Gene. IMHO, if she usually eats well, trains and commits to staying healthy, then life can be a lot of fun leading an active adventurous life while still enjoying food and fine dining and it is irrelevant what people say about her looks. Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. Tilly is not a perfect officer. And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. Development for the fifth season of Discovery is well underway, with production expected to begin in June. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. The burden is now on SNWThat show can either make or break it with regards to these issues. But the show almost seems to go out of its way every season for some of the dumbest story points you can think of. I keep reading that no character like hers should not be in starfleet, yet she is. Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. This modern trend of celebrating obesity is what is wrong with American society, and is another reason why the rest of the world laughs at America. Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. David Ajala: Yeah. 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Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? Like a lot of people, she pivoted and found herself in a new role as teacher. That being said, knowing what weight restrictions there are for men and women serving avoid combat ships in todays Navy, my bet would be she would need to lose some weight to preserve her shipboard assignment in todays real-world Navy. I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. 89. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. Why does the therapist appear to outrank the CMO? But I think one of the things that leaves everyone feeling unmoored in this situation is they dont even know how to use their skills to deal with this because its something theyve never seen before, and they cant predict it, they dont know by which rules its operating, and how to even engage. That does so much emotional damage to a personbut it also says a lot about those doing the body-shaming. Star Trek is supposed to be socially progressive but this show went too far. The other big issue Ive always had is the graphic nature of violence, this We are TV-MA streaming, so we can do anything attitude I simply hate that. If there had been a believable logical progression from Cadet Tilly in season 1 to Starfleet Academy instructor in season 4, where they had built up the character to where she shed bits and pieces of the awkwardness as she became more confident in her abilities. But respect is always earned and never enforceable. Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. Shes magnetic. Just IMHO, because to each his (or her, or their) own! The 60s/70s are gone. A statistical average does not justify shaming or ridiculing anyone. Its could have (or couldve). Saru would then recognize the potential in her, give her opportunities to build her self esteem and confidence, and wed get a good arc that doesnt seem forced like it does now. My lady, you are so fine that I want to have your baby. He was in the Travis Mayweather category. When all evidence points to her character not being loved or even liked (the actress is fine; shes been poorly handled by the writers (Michelle Paradise). And doesnt that just make the point about the difference between fitness and apparent chunkiness or curveyness. She wears 36D bra size and weighs 147 pounds. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. Do I want to be Sisko or Picard or Archer then most likely yes. Unity? Shes loved. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. Well, its certainly a good thing that Tilly is a fictional character, and neither she nor the woman who plays her (Wiseman) is in todays real-world Navy.. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying.